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Well, hey, everyone. We are live on the Overland Podcast. We’ve just been talking and having a good time. We’re playing Get to Know You because that’s what it’s all about. That is. It’s getting to know you. I got my coffee. We got all our drinks filled up. We’re ready to go. So, it’s been a pretty crazy week already. Tony’s trying to get ready for Rendezvous, and it feels like he cannot get everything ready.

Tony – It’s like I didn’t know I was going.

Joey – You’ve known you were going.

Tony – Hey, listen. So, I wanted to say a big congratulations to Galen really quick. Yeah. He hit his… two thousand and twenty-four miles walking he walked two thousand two hundred and two thousand and twenty-four miles today like for the year for the year he’s one he’s one of our uh biggest and he’s not even homeless

Joey – yeah so hey Galen sorry we’re gonna miss you buddy yeah That’s awesome. And we also want to say our big congratulations to Jared and Kayla. They had their baby this week. That’s so cool. For them, not for me. That’s cool for them. Having a baby would be awful for me but that’s awesome I’m so excited for them

Tony  – Gia doesn’t need another one no she’s got pj

Joey – our little pup is all that we’re gonna do! babe thank you for being on here thank you for joining us but man we are excited we are getting ready for Rendezvous!  My wife asked me a while ago she said are you are kind of bummed that you’re not getting to go tomorrow with tony and Michael and I was like you know I could be ready to go in like eight minutes Tony apparently needs longer than I do to get ready.

Tony – I’m going to need about eighteen more hours to get ready.

Joey – I don’t know what takes you so long. I just don’t get it.

Tony – I just have a process. I guess.

Joey – He’s got a lot of staining to clean out of his Jeep. Yeah. You’ve got to hand wash everything, right?

Tony – Yeah, that’s what I did. Today I hand washed and chammied the Jeep and vacuumed it.

Joey – He’s got the cleanest Jeep in the world, I swear. Yeah.

Tony – I want to do that for certain people, special occasions.

Joey – You know we’re camping like on dirt, right?

Tony – Yeah.

Joey – Okay. So tonight we have with us Paul and Bethany from Radio Chatter Game. Thank you all for being here. We appreciate you taking time out of your evening to be on here with us. I’m excited. I’m excited about this. Mamoo’s Kitchen is with us. Do you all know about Mamoo’s Kitchen? Oh my goodness.

Tony – Hey, I’ve already got some of their meals packed. I did that right after I got the Jeep washing.

Joey – My wife said, what are you taking to eat? I said, Mamoo’s Kitchen. Mamoo’s Kitchen is a group of guys that They make freeze-dried Cajun meals. And they are like for backpacking, camping, easy, all you need is hot water in ten minutes and you have the absolute best meal. And my wife and I have been searching for good quality backpacking meals. And when we met them at Overland of America a couple weeks ago, they had all these samples to try. And I mean, it’s got real shrimp in it, real crab in it. It’s outrageous good. So, yeah, we want to give them a shout out because they are awesome. And super nice guys. I mean, just real nice guys. So tonight, we’re talking to Paul and Bethany. We wanted them to come on because… I kind of made contact with y’all this past summer about the thing that y’all have come up with, the Radio Chatter game. And I have right here. And my wife and I were going on a super long trip and we needed something that to help us bypass the time. And, uh, so we did and it was incredible. And so, I wanted to have y’all come on and talk about that. But first of all, uh, let’s get to know you a little better. Tell us about yourself. Where are you from? And, uh, how did you develop a love for the outdoors?

Paul – All right, I’ll start. So, yeah, so I’m Paul and we’re from Berkeley, Michigan. It’s just outside of Detroit. And, um, uh, I, so I just grew up, we camped like that was our vacation. We didn’t go, you know, we went to Disney one time, I think growing up, but everything else was camping. And so just did that. And Bethany kind of has a similar background. So, we just, camped when we met and we just kept camping and then got into kind of more of the overlanding when we just wanted to kind of get deeper in the woods and decided to buy an off-road truck. We were like, oh, that’ll just get us further off the grid. And then it’s like, okay, so how do we sleep with this thing? And we got to keep tenting it. And we looked into trailers and all sorts of stuff. That was around COVID. So, we spent a lot of time watching YouTube videos and every known trailer off-roading thing. COVID was research time for overlanding. It really was. We also got deeper into overlanding because I don’t think we really had done anything before that. You talked about going on trails. It was really backpacking and just your average driving in the woods kind of camp is where it started.

Joey – That is awesome. I see a banjo in the background. I wish I knew how to play it. Uh, do you play?

Paul – No. So, what it, so what it is a buddy of mine, his dad makes them. That was kind of his retirement thing. He hand-makes banjos and I have, so my brother played banjo in a band and so I’m familiar with them, but I had this like pretty crazy like European tool from her dad. It was like this four-piece tool with like one pulley system and It had four different things in it, like a router, a table saw, all sorts of stuff. It was very small, and I just didn’t use it. I gave it to my buddy’s dad because he wanted to use it. He’s like, I’ll give you one of my homemade banjos. That’s a good trade. It’s a fair trade. Right now, she’s hanging there. I pluck it a little bit and annoy her, and that’s about it.

Joey – Oh, yeah. I love it.

Paul – I have a guitar I know my wife with. And over, you can’t see it, it’s off camera, but Paul bought Jacob, our son, an electronic drum kit. But really, it was secretly for yourself. It’s big enough that I can play on it, too. Of course. You and your son have a band. That was really funny. It’s not Overlanding related, but that was, I think it was last Christmas, that Paul and Jacob, both bought each other Christmas gifts they secretly wanted for themselves. It was really funny, because Jacob picked out some stuffy to give to Paul, but he’s like, but I want to hold it and love on it.

Joey – So, yeah. Yeah. I love that I buy my wife stuff for Christmas all the time for me yeah constantly it is uh that’s a secret trick of mine and you know so it’s that’s perfect I don’t know why everybody doesn’t do that now notice you’re a Chevrolet guy you drive a Chevrolet yep uh with an Alu-Cab topper yep um nice how do you how do you like the rig how you like to set up?

Paul – Oh, we love it. So, yeah. So, the Chevy was the ZR two. We did it for two reasons. One, yes, we both work for General Motors. So that’s just like, might as well pay to our own, you know, retirement. It’s a good, but also, yeah. Like, I’m not a vehicle guy, meaning I’m not a gear head. I’m a tech guy. I built computers and programmed growing up. I did not work on vehicles. And so, when we decided we wanted to get a vehicle to get us off the grid further than the vehicles we previously had, I was like, I want something that is factory capable, and then I can learn as I break things or need to upgrade, rather than buying something and having to upgrade right away. And so, the ZR-II, this was right before the Gladiator. So really, it was the best factory capable, no upgrades needed, right from OEM. So that’s why we did it. And it’s pretty much still factory. We’ve done just a couple things, just because I like the Alu-Cab leaf springs. like that. But other than that, you know, we’ve kept it as stock as possible.

Tony – Nice. I may be getting this fixed up, but does it have the diesel?

Paul – So, this one does not. I went with the gas. We did look at the diesel. This one just has a V-six. Yeah. And at the time we didn’t have the Alu cab, right. I, it was also my commuting vehicle. Like it was a little bit of both. And then I got into a position in our company that I’m fortunate enough to have a company vehicle. And then I could devote this to completely overlanding. So that’s been impacted in the Alu-cab and now it stays in the garage when it’s not out playing. So sorry about the truck. For the longest time, he was talking about, I want to get a truck. I want a truck. But it doesn’t make sense for our lifestyle and this. And at the time, we had a Malibu. And Jacob was a year old or less than a year old. So, he was in a baby car, infant car seat. And I was just looking at it, the car. And I said, I don’t think… truck cabs are much bigger or smaller than like the Malibu and we fit in the Malibu fine. And he was like literal light bulb. And I think that’s what he needed to hear to start researching trucks. The midsize truck. No, well, that’s what I was. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I thought, which is when you said truck, I thought he was going to get a Silverado or a Sierra, like a full-size truck. And then he was talking about the Colorado or the Canyon. And he was like talking about like off-roading. And I was like, what? Like, oh, what Pandora’s box did I just open up? Oh, I love it. Yeah. Then I showed up with it. She’s like, oh, wow. This is what you’re talking about. It’s been a lot of fun. They’re so nice. Our neighbors are jealous. They’re just so mad because they’re like, it’s so easy. You just pulled in your garage. You pulled out. Everything’s there. I have my trailer. I have to pack it down the driveway and load it with all this gear and this and that. It’s like a whole day thing. You can just pack your food and go.

Joey – Yeah. They’re so nice. I fell in love with those. And if I get a truck, because my vehicle is getting old and so starting to look into the very far future to see what I want. But man, the toppers with the trucks are legit easy. Yeah. Yeah, Tony’s been lusting over a few of those toppers for his Gladiator, I’ve noticed.

Tony – I mean, it’s killing me, but I like parking in the garage too much. And right now, my setup, I’ve got a half bed rack with an iKamper tent. And I clear the garage door by about this much, right? So that everything is pretty much still flush. If I go with a topper or something like that, that raises the tent up, I wouldn’t be able to park inside.

Paul – Can you raise your garage?

Tony – I’ve considered that. It can be done.

Joey – You can also buy another house with a taller garage.

Paul – Well, that was something when we were looking into campers. He’s like, we’re not buying a new house because of this camper. We live in the city. Our lot is very, I think we’re like, forty feet wide and like, ninety feet deep. It’s not wide. Basically, our driveway and our house and that’s it. Um, but he’s like, yeah, we’re, we’re, we’re not buying a new house because of our camper somewhere. So that was fun too. Yeah. It’s almost like the tail wagging the dog kind of, kind of, but you know, uh, it’s, I mean, if we move from here, I mean, I almost want to just be like a big metal building to store my stuff in while I’m gone. Yeah. Burned in ammonium. Burned in ammonium, yeah.

Joey – Yeah. You can do like me and just flatten all your tires before you pull in. It makes your clearance a whole lot more. Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I had to do with my trailer for a long time. Flatten all the tires and then back it in, then air the tires up. It was a pain. But you do what you got to do. Yeah. You do what you got to do. For sure. Okay. Let me ask you all this while we’re playing getting to know you here. um travel is such a huge part of overlanding and there are so many places in the world you can go tell us about some really cool places that y’all been like with our rig or just oh anywhere

Paul/Bethany – oh so we I think what our my most memorable trip would be our first trip when we first we were like a year or two into being married We packed up our, like, camping, backpack camping through an Army duffel bag. We flew out to Colorado, rented a truck, and did, like, a week-long loop and camped and explored Colorado. That was a lot of fun. It allowed us, because we’d only been out to Colorado, like, in the winter to ski. That was memorable. And then… Right before Jacob was born, we went to Iceland for ten days. And we were in the camper van. Yeah, the camper van. That was kind of our first real forte into living in the vehicle kind of thing. Again, not knowing what it was. It was just like, oh, a camper van. A pop-up tent and a fridge. It was great. we would be like hiking and I just remember one time we got hiking and we’re like next to this beautiful, like waterfall kind of in the middle of nowhere next to the road. And we’re like, let’s we’re hungry. Oh, let’s just fire up the, the, the grill thing or like, you know, boil some water and we act like a bunch of MREs. Yeah. We would just make it there instead of like being in a vehicle and like, okay, we got to go find a restaurant or we got to find like a gas station or something like the possibility that it provided was really nice. Yeah. That’s awesome. Yeah. Um, and then those are like our biggest ones. Yeah. For like scenic. But then I think our, for our family, our most memorable was not this summer, but last summer we took two weeks and we went, we left Michigan and we headed West. His brother lives in Omaha and I have cousins that live in Iowa city. So, we’re like, well, let’s go see them. And then like the following week, another cousin that lives in Wisconsin was getting married. So, we’re like, well, why don’t we just stay out west or, you know, go west and kind of make like a big loop. So, we ended up doing, I think, like ten states from like Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana. Minnesota and Wisconsin, you know, and saw a bunch of landmarks and stuff. And I think for us, it was like our first, it was yeah. Fourteen days on the road with our five-year-old. And so, it was good for us to be like, Hey, we can do this. He can do this. We, I think we figured out like the equation to where we can get some miles down. We can get out and let him run and play and take a break, you know, and we can cover some, um, Now that he’s getting older, we’re like, sweet. That means every summer we can maybe push it a little bit more and go further west. We don’t have… Yeah, like I did Colorado and Utah this summer with Mountain State Overland. It was just me. So, because it’s like you have to like drive a lot to get out there and he can’t sit in the car like all day long. And so, we want to go out to Utah or, you know, further. It’s like, buddy, you got to strap in. We’re doing thirteen, fifteen hours. He’s not there yet. We’re getting close. Yeah. Yeah, you have to figure out what you can do. Do a little bit at a time. Figure it out. So, what’s your bucket list place to go? Yeah. For me, I have upstairs in our living room, I have a map of the United States and it’s a photo frame. And so, you can put pictures. And so, my goal is for us. It’s of the state, of the country, I mean. So, like every state, you got to get a photo. Yeah. So, then you can load up a photo and then you can go to their website and it will print it out in like the shape of that state. And they send it to you as a sticker. So, then you like take the map apart, the frame, and you put the sticker down. So, it’s my goal for, I got it for him for an anniversary. Yeah. So, it’s like, my goal is for at least us to visit every state. And then if Jacob’s there, that’s just icing on the cake, but we’re probably like halfway done. Yeah. So, like, we have to do like the East coast. We got to go down and buy like where you guys are. Um, but I think like way West in Alaska.

Tony – Yeah. Alaska is like on my big list and like the, you know, like, uh, yeah, the, um, British Columbia area. That’s where I really want to go.

Joey – We’ve got one more state to go. North Dakota. North Dakota is our last one. We covered eighteen states this summer and got all of them but the last one. Next summer we’re going to Oregon but we have to go straight up and then hit North Dakota and then go straight over. So, we got to detour just a little bit just to get that one. Because there’s not really a reason to go to North Dakota.

Paul/Bethany – It’s just at Roosevelt State Park. Yeah. My niece designed one of the roads in the park. She’s a civil engineer. So that’s also another reason to go.

Joey – Yeah. Well, I don’t know if you know this. I actually was telling that story to somebody in the last couple weeks. And North Dakota actually has come out and said that so many people have waited to get North Dakota until last that they’ve kind of adopted that. And they actually have T-shirts and signs and stickers that say something like, finally got the last one. North Dakota on it. And I’m like, oh, that’s cool. Well, I’m in that group. I’m in that group. Well, it’s funny.

Paul/Bethany – Two summers ago, we went we were in North Dakota and we were in a campground at the north. There was like the park’s kind of split and they’re like two and a half hours apart from each other. So, we’re at like the Northwest Park in the campground and it’s us basically just us in this campground. And I get up in the middle of the night and I’m using the facilities, but because nobody else is there, I’m just like right by her tire. And then he whispers, he’s like, what did you, I was just like, there’s a bunch of Buffalo. And I was like, whoa. And I like shot up and like ran back into the camper and, And I’m like, I’m like, those aren’t buffaloes. Those are like bushes. He’s like, there was no bushes. And they’re snorting. Yeah. So that was pretty cool. And they were gone, but they left presents behind. So that was our close encounter with some buffalo.

Tony – That’s great. Yeah. Alaska is on the top of my list of places to go. And I’ve often thought that I would go to North Dakota and cross over there and then go a little bit Northwest to Banff, the Banff area. And I don’t know if I’m saying that right. B-A-N-F-F, Banff. Sounds. Anyway, I would love to go there someday. So, I just kind of think that’s right on the way.

Joey – Yeah. I’ve never been to the Pacific Northwest, so that’s where we’re going next summer. And I have to go to North Dakota to get there. So, it’s on the way. I keep telling myself that. There’s a lot of great stuff between Pacific Northwest and North Dakota. I mean, when you’re driving eight thousand miles, what’s another thousand miles? Right. Whatever.

Paul – Yeah. Well, hopefully you’ll bring radio chatter to keep you busy.

Joey – Oh, we got it. We got it. Yeah, for sure. We got it. We have not been through all of the questions. And actually, some of the answers have changed since we had the first time. So, and we’re going to get to that here in just a minute. But before we get into what however, how most everybody knows you, let’s pause to highlight the sponsor of this week’s podcast. Tony, take it away.

Tony – So I just wanted to say a little bit about Okie Overland. There are some really great people over there. They’re supporters of the podcast. But Okie Overland is a full-service overlanding and camping store located in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It’s just about like two hours from me. I think you’re pretty close there, Joey. But they have all kinds of camping gear and they do installations, full-service installations on your overland rig. They do monthly gatherings, campouts, campouts, things like that. You go to go to Facebook. You can follow their Okie Overland Lounge to get notifications and all their events, updates on their events. One thing that I saw today that’s really cool. You know what? Did you see what they’re doing Friday at Rendezvous? They’re having a pizza party.

Joey – What?

Tony – They’re cooking pizzas. Well, we got to give them a shout out and be really nice to them because we’re camping right beside them. Yeah. This week. So, give them a shout out and be nice. So anyway. Kyle and Tate. Kyle and Tate and Kyle’s wife, Casey. They’re just fantastic folks. Fantastic people. Super nice. That’s my wife. Arla is my wife. Arla.

Joey – Hey, girl. Hey. And I noticed that Cindy Pope was on here. Hey, Cindy. Thank you for coming on here and saying hey to us, especially saying hey to me. That means a lot. It hits me on the heart. Yeah. So, yeah, okie-overland.com. Check them out. They just installed… And did a fantastic job putting my new Subaru. We’ve got a new Subaru Forester. That’s our family car. And that’s what we travel in long distances because the last few times we’ve done it in the FJ, the FJ decided it didn’t want to go. And so, it came back home on a, on a truck. And so now we take the, now we take the Subaru. It’s got a rooftop tan on it from OVS and the awning built a kitchen in the back of it. So, they did a fantastic job. They were a little bit nervous because they had to drop the headliner in a brand-new car. And but I didn’t see not one dirty fingerprint on my headliner. And I looked it over really good. Yeah. I’m not going to talk about all the little nasty stickers that they put where you can’t see in bad shapes.

Tony – Anyway, if you all want to see it, you just go to Joey’s Instagram and you can see what kind of stickers he’s talking about. So, and they support first responders and veterans. So go see them. Go check them out. www.okie-overland.com. Is it okie-overland.com? Okie-overland.com. We love you guys.

Joey – Okay, so on your website, Radio Chatter Game, I have it going across the bottom screen if you need to see it. You introduce you and your family on the About page. Tell about all this started. It tells about how all the radio chatter games started about on a trip to Mountain State Overland. And love those guys. Those guys have some of the best videos ever. They have the best music ever. Yeah. the, the, the guys that, that do their music is they’re just incredible, but love those guys. We’ve actually had them on our, on our show before, but take us back to that time when y’all were coming back from a trip and how the conversation started about how to get all this going.

Paul/Bethany – Yeah. There was a lot more radio chatter on that trip with some of the guests just talking about the rigs and asking questions and upgrades. And I found it, me being the passenger, I found it entertaining and I liked it, but I also wanted, I realized that I like to talk. And so… It was hard for me because I’m like, I really want to talk on the radio, but I can’t comment on what kind of front bumper we have or whatever washer fluid. So, I was thinking about it. like when we were leaving, I was like, I really liked that, but how can I contribute and how can others contribute? And what kind of questions can I ask on our, because I knew we were going on a second trip that year, like in a couple more months, I thought of like, what are some questions that like anybody could ask and answer? And so, I, wrote down the first one was, what was your favorite upgrade on your rig? And then the second one was, what do you regret modifying on your rig? And then I had a notebook and I put it away. And then on our way down, a couple months later, I remembered I started asking those questions. So, I started writing more things down. And Paul’s like, what are you doing? I explained to him, so I just thought of more questions. He’s like, don’t ask what your favorite color is or your favorite movie. I have to keep it overlanding related. I was like, okay. I was like, screw you, Paul. What I was up with was if you had to make any superheroes rig into an overlanding rig, which one would it be? The Batmobile? Yeah, for the Batmobile. Yeah. So, I did that. And then we were on the trip and I started asking questions on the radio and I thought people were going to yell at me to like, hey, stop. But it was the opposite. We got to camp and they’re like, we really love those questions that you’re asking today. It was like a lot of fun talking on the radio. And then we found with a group of people that we were with that we didn’t know anybody else. By the time we got to camp or sitting on the campfire, it was just like a continuation of our conversation all day where we would have been spending hours. All day, like apart in our rig, separate rigs, and then getting to know each other at the campfire. It’s like, it, it sped up that process even more. Um, and so just with that, you know, we got, we were encouraged by the MSO guys and some other guests on the trip. Like you should make a game into this or like, yeah, no, no, no. I think we sat on it for a year. We kind of sat on it and tried it and was like, yeah, this is very niche. And yeah, I looked into it and then stopped. And then he was like, you know what? I think we should do it. I’ll let you take this part over. Cause you can talk about why you wanted it. Yeah, I had been setting some money aside for what I called like alternative investments, meaning just not pumping it in the savings or stock market or whatever. And I’ve always wanted to own my own business, learn how to run a business. And I was like, let’s just do it. This actually wouldn’t be that expensive to do. We can drop a couple grand into product and marketing and stuff. And let’s just figure out how to do this. And so, and that’s what we did. And so, we’ve been doing this about a year and a half. Yeah. I think we just because it was like the red. We’re coming up on a year. I think we went to Overland the Red last year, and that was when we actually had the actual product. We had a couple of test runs that we took other places, but we actually received our first order and went to Overland the Red. So yeah, we’re coming up on a year of our hard launch, if you will.

Joey – Yeah. That’s cool. Well, it’s really changed a lot of stuff for a lot of people, you know, and those who are listening can comment. But I was trying to think, OK, so when we were kids, there was always travel games and you were trying to get through. Because you had an end goal. You were trying to get from one place to another. If I drive from here to Colorado, it’s twenty-four hours. It takes me a while. And there’s only so much radio you can listen to. There’s only so many podcasts you can listen to. And especially if you’ve got kids, you’ve got to find a way to pass the time. And so, we would play when I was a kid, we would play slug bug. You know, everybody be looking for bugs. And if you found a yellow one, you’d hit you’d cream the person, you know, next to you or something like that. And plus, we were looking for I was looking for a way to hit my sister anyway. But, you know, we play Slugbug. I spy. Yeah. We always played I spy. And then there was something with road signs. I can’t remember what we do with road signs.

Tony – Roadside bingo. License plate. You try to get all the license plates.

Joey – Yeah. So, this has really… It’s changed the way you can travel. It’s not just something that you can do. Slug bug, no tape back. Yeah. And so, it’s really changed the way that people can travel because it’s not just something that you can do on the radio. It’s something that you can do with the people in the car. And so, with the people that you interact with, that you get feedback from, what’s really the main way that people are using this? Is it radio or is it personal or what do you think?

Paul/Bethany – I think it’s radio. I feel like when we were overlanding the ride, a lot of people were taking it on the trails and we got feedback. They’re like, yeah, we’re using it on the trails today because there’s a lot of new people in the groups or just a meetup of miscellaneous rigs. Um, and then I’d say it’s over the radio in groups like Jeep Jamboree. There’s some, there’s been some Jeep ones they’ve done, you know, those kinds of things. And then the second is at camp. Um, so both because it is a deck of playing cards, but also, um, you know, if, if you’re already talking over the radio and then you get to camp and you’re like, oh, let’s just pull out a card and start some conversation around the campfire. So, we’ve seen a lot of that as well. Yeah. I love it.

Tony – Yeah. What’s your favorite question? I’ve got two.

Joey – I have mine. You have yours? I’ve got two. I think this is my favorite, is the feedback. I can tell you that if we have people that come on the podcast, and of course we do this live, so we have people that come in all the time. And if we were to say, okay, what’s your favorite camping question? What’s the number one thing that we get every single time, Tony? It’s the same one that I ask all the time.

Tony – Same one. What’s your favorite camp meal?

Joey – Oh my gosh. I almost, I almost left that out of the deck. It’s just like, I saw that in there and I was like, I am not using that one. I asked this question just about of every guest. What’s your favorite camp meal? And I’ve been doing it before. Are you actually going to use that card? You’re playing that card right now.

Tony – Yeah. I’m about to play cards.

Paul/Bethany – Do people have the same meal?

Joey – No, they just ask the question because that’s the question. That is the question when people get on here. We’re not even on topic. But at least one time on every show, somebody, most of the time, Benji, will come on here and he’ll say, what’s your favorite camp meal? I mean, they just type that in there.

Tony – It’s part of the experience. We like to eat. I love camping with Joey because he’s always cooking something good. That’s your card. You’re playing it. So, he’s asking you, what’s your favorite camp meal?

Paul/Bethany – I think in general; I enjoy just a hot meal. Okay. kind of fresh. But then the other thing that I really enjoy doing is making Rice Krispy treats when we camp.

Joey – What? You do that when you camp?

Paul/Bethany – Yeah.

Joey – So, you actually melt the stuff and you mix it with the stuff and then you make the stuff? Do you put anything on it or is it just the Rice Krispies and the marshmallows?

Paul/Bethany – Just the Rice Krispies and marshmallows. And butter.

Tony – I think you got him on that one.

Joey – Yeah. Yeah. I’ve got a new one, Tony, and you’re going to see it this week.

Tony – A new one what? Favorite camp meal. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah? I bet you’re going to see my new favorite camp meal, too. I am. It’s probably got Mamoo’s on it. It’s probably the same thing. It’s probably the same one. All right.

Joey – That’s funny. Okay. I’ve got… What’s your question? My card is… What is the one thing that you have splurged on?

Tony – Is that your favorite? It’s not my favorite. I think it’s just one of the hard ones that you have.

Paul/Bethany – It’s difficult. Do you want our answer?

Joey – Yeah, what’s your answer?

Paul/Bethany – Our mattress. Yeah, I think the Hest mattress.

Joey – Oh, the Hest?

Paul/Bethany – Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went right away with it. It was kind of a gamble. We’d never been on one, but the Alu-Cab mattress is terrible. We tried layering, but then it wasn’t that great. And then it also was really thick. And with the blankets and pillows, it was hard to shut. Yeah. So, we went with it. And I always equate it to people at camp. Usually your first night, especially if you’re in a ground tent, the first night you sleep terrible. The second night you always sleep great because you slept terrible the first night. With that hashtag, the first night is like any other night. We just go in, we go to bed, we wake up, and it was like we’re sleeping at home. It’s amazing. We’re not sponsored, but I’ve tried. If you’re listening, we’d love to be sponsored.

Tony – Joey, I am so looking forward to sleeping on my new cloud topper from Okie. Like in cold weather, sleeping in my sleeping bag and my cloud topper on my self-inflating air mattress.

Joey – Yeah, so what he’s talking about is Free Spirit just came out with a puffy cloud topper that actually attaches to the tent mattresses. So, you’re sleeping on like a puffy blanket on top of a puffy blanket. And I will have mine as well. But I actually look forward to getting in my tent now. Because they came out with a twelve-volt heated blanket and then a puffy. And so, I have the heated blanket on top of the puffy. And then I cover up with another puffy and, uh, I go out there and sleep.

Paul/Bethany – cause there are things, there’s a question in our cards that says like, what do you refuse to buy or get or upgrade? And Paul is adamant that, oh yeah. What is the piece of gear that you refuse to purchase in his, as he refuses to get, uh, like the Alu-Cab heater

Joey – uh, Oh, they’re so cool, though? We can see the fire in it? Yeah. Those are the coolest heaters ever.

Paul – I just refuse to do it. Yeah. There’s been some nights that it’s chilly, and then our old man, Jason, he likes to crawl into his alley cab and turn his furnace on, and he always teaches us about it. Why, Paul? Why? I actually with our six-year-old I’m okay with not having that right next to where he sleeps where he sleeps and then like because we’ll put him to bed before we go to bed and like we close up the camp I don’t know what he’s messing around he’s always rearranging the patches and things so I there’s that is actually a big reason why I that’s for you me yeah I don’t want it because is it expensive Well, I mean, yeah, it’s expensive, but so is the whole Alu-Cab. Anything that has Alu-Cab on it’s expensive. I just never priced it, so I didn’t know. It’s just like, I don’t know. I… proven a point it’s too much luxury like yeah I can handle there’s only been one night that I wish I had something it was like ten degrees and I woke up and the whole inside was ice and we haven’t yeah you can’t I she won’t do that so like generally speaking it’ll get like I think the coldest we’ve slept with like jake it was like thirty six thirty four degrees but you put all three of us up there yeah generally yeah body heats body heats a lot

Tony – yeah a lot I use a jet boil heater or a jet boil burner a lot.

Joey – He uses his cook stove burner.

Tony – I’m telling you. The little burner from the Minimo. Well, he’s nice.

Joey – I’m going to look over there and his whole tent’s going to be on fire and his butt’s going to be trying to get out of it. It’s going to be hilarious. I’m going to be laughing.

Joey – And you’re not getting in with me. You’re not doing it.

Tony – Watch me. Watch me.

Joey – Hey, I’ll cuddle you.

Paul/Bethany – The other thing that I’ve mentioned, I was like, hey, maybe we could get a camp potty or a camp toilet for me. I’m fine with walking into the woods and stuff, but there have been some times where there hasn’t been a discreet place for me to go where I can just turn around because there’s people all around us that have a little pop-up or something. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well then, he this past summer when he was on his Colorado Moab tour, he got to like experience the camp toilet he’s like oh it’s actually kind of nice I was like yes, I see that and once you experience it you’re like oh I’ll have to get it now yeah it wasn’t enough that your wife needed it

Joey – okay Hey, we need to circle back to Jasper Jeep Jam when they asked about the power consumption. So, the, the twelve-volt heated blanket will run off a little power pack and the, the diesel heater will not.

Paul – So, I’m going with the diesel heater. Use it more.

Tony – Yeah. Over for all night thing. Yeah. Really? Have you used it?

Joey – No. Well, you can’t prove me wrong. Well, I’ve heard the twelve-volt blankets. batteries. Everybody that’s ever used one. We’ll see. Because it’s going to be fifty degrees, I will be using it.

Tony – My diesel heater pulls like six, seven watts when it’s running. So, when it heats up, it uses like a hundred watts. When you can get it to work? No, it works just fine. I used it just the other day. Sometimes.

Joey – Do you have another card?

Tony – I do. I have fifty some odd cards. Which one do you want? Pick a card, any card. That one. Oh, I was going to say that one, but we’ve already talked about that one. Okay. Your favorite adventure. Okay.

Joey – What’s your, now? Huh? Are you skipping? Well, I was just like, well, okay, what’s on your bucket list? We’ve already, what adventures are on your bucket list?

Paul/Bethany – Yeah, we can’t tell, at least in the U.S., of like areas of adventure. Paul tends to, when we did our, the original asking questions, he really enjoyed it. Oh, this was fun. Like when people could learn something. You could learn either something about, like maneuvering or geared to help you get through the trails and stuff or situations. He, he definitely likes the learning. I like asking questions where you put someone in a really uncomfortable situation and then they have to pick like, kind of like the, we talk about like always, sometimes never.

Joey – And it’s like, um, famous person, famous person. Who would it be? Yeah. I had one and I forgot. My wife actually asked me that one when we were on the trip. I think it would be cool to go on a trip with Clint Eastwood. Yeah. Now I know he’s like a thousand years old. So, take him back about twenty, twenty years, maybe when he was when he was Dirty Harry, you know, and pointing the big long fifteen-inch pistol at people. I think he would be cool to get off my lawn. You know, he’s a cool he’s a cool guy. I think he’d be cool to travel with. So, I picked him. Yeah. Yeah. Who would you pick, Tony?

Tony – Oh, gosh. I mean, it’s pretty hard to top Clint Eastwood. Oh, you can’t take my answer. No, no, no. That’s against the rules. Yeah. I think it says that on here somewhere.

Joey – Are there any rules? Do y’all have rules? Are there any rules for the game?

Paul/Bethany – Explain yourself because you’ll notice for just keeping the font size big, we don’t say and why or and explain. That’s part of the rules. We just try to say it’s more fun if you don’t give one-word answers. Or change the question. A lot of times they spin off other questions afterwards.

Joey – True. I did notice when you were talking about how this all began. You initially came up with around two hundred questions. You narrowed it down to fifty, so I imagine y’all have got a bank of other questions that you could ask. Oh, my wife said Matthew McConaughey. All right, all right, all right.

Tony – Burt Reynolds would be cool.

Joey – And Burt Reynolds would be cool if he was like in the Trans Am following you or you had to meet him somewhere and it was like a race. So that’d be cool.

Paul/Bethany – So, I think our two most common we hear from people are Keanu Reeves and Adam Sandler. Those are the two most common.

Tony – Yeah, I was going to pick somebody funny, you know, maybe like Robin Williams or I don’t know. Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart would be fun. The Rock has to be in somebody else’s life.

Joey – If you take The Rock and Kevin Hart, I don’t know how you’d survive.

Tony – I was thinking a chef so that when you get to camp, they can cook for you.

Joey – I don’t know that person. It’s got to be famous. Who’s that? She even threw the middle initial in there. Okay, listen.

Tony – Now you got my curiosity. Hunter S. Thompson. American journalist. That might be good. Informational. Interesting.

Joey – So, one of my favorite questions is the one that says, what do you wish you would have left at home? Because there’s always that one thing. There’s always that one thing that you take.

Tony – He left a book of Hell’s Angels. He wrote The Hell’s Angel. Yeah.

Joey – Oh, that’s cool. There’s always that one thing that you always take with you that is always in the way. And I love that because I always have an answer. But that that question is for the trip you’re on.

Paul/Bethany – So, it’s hard for me to answer that now. Yeah. But, you know, there’s been like water jugs. There’s been showers. There’s been peanuts.

Joey – I said pants. You could probably name a person that you would have, you know, would have liked to have left at home. Um, you know, so it’s, you can’t say your wife, Tony. Uh, but it’s, it’s one of those things that that changes every time because there’s always that one thing that gets in the way. So, I love that question. That’s like a trip specific. Yeah. That’s cool.

Tony – I keep thinking about this Keanu Reeves as the most, you know, and I’m like, is it, which Keanu Reeves are we talking about? Now I think Mamoo’s is talking about what would you wish you had left at home and said the famous person you want. I got the answers mixed up. I brought your mother-in-law. Yeah. It says Vin Diesel. It’s a fast and furious overlanding. Yeah. That’s so funny.

Joey – Um, All right, here’s mine. What’s the longest road trip you’ve taken? That’s my last one. What’s the longest road trip you’ve taken, Tony?

Tony – Probably the farthest road trip start to finish would be the one where I met you and Porker in Denver and we went to Wyoming.

Joey – That’s because you left us and drove to Utah on a whim.

Tony- No, Arizona.

Joey – Okay, Arizona.

Tony – I drove through Utah.

Joey – We were coming back to Kansas and you stopped halfway and you’re like, I think I’m going to Arizona. See y’all. And he was gone. That turned it into a long road trip.

Tony – Y’all left like a week before I did. I wasn’t ready to go home. Well, and plus we should have gone with you because we went to Kansas and it was a thousand degrees when we got there. It wasn’t all that nice. It wasn’t great.

Joey – Okay. What’s the longest road trip y’all have taken?

Paul/Bethany – I think it was last summer when we went and did all of those states and, you know, North, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana. But I’ll change the question a tad because that’s part of the rules. So, my longest single trip was actually when I was a kid with my family. We did, we left the house, drove to Northern Ontario. It was twelve hours straight driving and then we got out and then we had to portage across three lakes for twelve hours to get to our site. So, it was twenty-four hours door to camp. That sounds awful. My brother, my grandfather and my father. Twenty-four hours.

Joey – Oh, see, I love that. I love that. We learned about the whole portaging lakes last summer when we were in Minnesota at the Boundary Waters. And that just fascinates me. Yep. Carrying everything on our backs, kayaks and canoes and motors and gas and camp gear and food and all that. I mean, who, who doesn’t want to, you know, go on a one-mile hike eight times in a row, carrying your gear. Yeah, carrying a six horsepower Mercury, you know. And then going back for two gallons of gas. Isn’t it portage? Portage. Portage. Yeah, portaging. I love it. So, these are so fascinating. I mean, we could do this all night. And I think the reason it’s fascinating to me is everybody has a different answer. And you actually get to know that person so much better by the end than when you started. And, you know, a lot of times when you’re just sitting there and you’re trying to get to know somebody, carry on a conversation, you go to your go-to questions like, you know, tell me about where are you from? What’s your favorite camp meal? You know, just the go-to questions, you know, that everybody asks. And, but this actually broadens your horizon a little bit and you actually get to know Cindy said, I’m playing along, five thousand miles in eighteen days from Illinois to Pacific Coast and Oregon back. That’s pretty good. That’s pretty good, Cindy. That’s what we’re doing next summer. Mine was this summer. This past summer, we did seven thousand miles, eighteen states, two Canadian provinces. That was a long trip. Seven weeks, I think.

Tony – You were gone too long, buddy.

Joey – No, I would not have come home if work didn’t get in the way. If it wasn’t for adulting. We just drove until we ran out of money and needed to get paid again. Go back to work and get paid again. uh and that’s what we’ll do next summer we’ll leave first of June or end of May and come back middle of July so that’s the good thing about working at a school when school’s closed we just leave and say don’t call us we’re not going to answer so awesome yeah love it uh but my wife loves this stuff and uh she loves you know asking questions probing people getting to know she’s a question ask her

Tony – I bet she’s going to love your other new set of cards

Joey – So, yeah, I saw this off air, and so my wife is going to absolutely love this.

Tony – I just ordered two sets while we were on air.

Joey – Babe, you’re going to love this. Two sets. And I didn’t know this, and I looked all over your Instagram. I couldn’t find it. It’s on the dark web. I know it’s on the dark web. But anyway, so there is actually, if you don’t know this, this is not the world premiere because people actually – uh know this but there is a radio chatter after dark this is an adult version of the game not kid friendly not kid friendly so yeah see she’s on here tell me see uh so there is an adult version I got you yeah and uh so tell me about what sparked the uh the after dark web uh what sparked the uh adult version how did this how did y’all come up with this you know

Paul/Bethany – Um, so we, so when we started going through this with people about the questions, they were like, yeah, she loves it, people are like, oh, okay. And then they’re like, you need an adult only version. That was like their feedback. So, and people like me with a good time. Yeah. People said like, oh, like Cards Against Humanity. So we’ve done two things. The first thing we did was we came up with literally just an adult version of conversation starter questions. But we do have a prototype of Cards Against Humanity for this called Cards Against Overlanding. that’s not for sale yet but we do have a prototype we’re looking for it I think it’s upstairs um but so we kind of went both ways but this is what we have available right now it’s eighteen cards it’s what we call an expansion pack you can get it in a case and it will have this will uh house three expansion packs as we add more um so yeah these are these are more intended we call it not safe for radio For those that like to follow the rules, you can’t use profanity and things you’re not supposed to or vulgar over the GMRS radio or anything. So not safe for radio competitive for the. Yeah, that’s fine. We can’t fire. So, yeah, we’re happy to read questions if you would. like a question.

Joey – You can give us a sample. This is a family-friendly show, but I don’t think there’s one.

Paul/Bethany – Let me see if I can find… No, not that one.

Joey – Oh, my gosh. Look at my wife’s comment. She has so many ideas.

Paul/Bethany – We can do that one. Or this one. Uh, you have younger people listening. See, and it was funny. Like I have questions, but when we were like coming up with the list of these, I was like getting a little gun shy about some of the questions. Cause I was like, oh, I don’t want people to think like, like, Worth less of you? Yeah. No. Well, she’s got a dirty mind. So, I’ll just say that we had like, what is the swinger sign in the adventure community?

Tony – Oh, like the upside-down pineapple in the trailer.

Joey – It would be an upside-down Jeep duck. Yeah, upside-down Jeep duck is what that is, Tony. You’ve got several on your dash.

Tony – I have zero ducks. I do not like the ducks.

Joey – You don’t keep your ducks in a row, do you? Well, that’s cool. We don’t have to get into that embarrassing part, but I just wanted to bring that out there. First of all, so my wife would know because she would absolutely die to have some of those. Just to embarrass me.

Tony – She’s got a set coming. I can’t wait for Joey to be embarrassed.

Joey – That is so cool. I wanted to know if you had any other ideas about other sets that you have coming out because I’m sure that you’ve got uh, the two points.

Paul/Bethany – Oh yeah. We definitely want to do other expansion packs to go with the gear hauler so that you can add on to it. Um, I, was saying earlier, like one of the things that I enjoy getting to know people is like, get put like, how will people handle being in a situation where it’s like, like the Mary, kill game but it’s like always sometimes never so it’s like if you had you had to pick between your toothbrush and toothpaste deodorant or toilet or toilet paper what’s something that you always have sometimes have and never have or like if you can yeah you have to yeah pick like one of those yeah so we have some and I because it’s like they’re all if you don’t have them, there’s an inconvenience, but like, what inconvenience are you like willing to, willing to give up? Yeah. No, I have to have like toilet paper or something, you know, or like give really three really nice scenarios and you have to like throw one away. You know, like I like that. Cause it’s just like, man, those are like all really bad situations. I have to pick one or all really good. And I have to pick one. And how do I narrow it down? I like, because I feel like it, you get into their mind. everyone’s mind a little bit more get a different perspective of yeah and again everybody will have a different answer yeah, I see those all the time on uh social media where they’ll have like okay McDonald’s Arby’s Wendy’s uh you know and Popeyes one has to go which one has to go you know and you have to throw one out and you know that’s good good thinking being in your tent that’s a no you’re no I do not oh I do I do. Everybody knows you do. You know, my initial answer was no. Why would people do that? And I thought, crap, I’d do that. There you go. My bad. Yeah, well. We had the expansion packs, and then we have some prototype games that we have here. So, I said that cards against overlanding, but this one we called Stranded. Man, I got to go with the camera here. So, this is like… Clue. Clue, but a card game version. And so, the game, instead of finding like who murdered someone with what weapon in what room, this is who got stranded, what happened at what location. So, we have like, for you guys, like in the Ozarks, you got a broken tie rod. And it was Gearhead Gary. Gearhead Gary. So, we kind of came up with that. So, these are just kind of prototypes that we’ve been taking to different events and kind of socializing with people to see what people like and stuff. So, we have a couple different prototype non-question games. Just other card games. Trying to make it overlanding adventure based.

Joey – Yeah. That’s fun. That’s awesome. I love it. I love it. There are so many things you could do and I love how your mind works and you’re actually getting out there and testing some, some more products and doing just this for fun and, and having fun with it. And I love it. I absolutely love it.

Paul/Bethany – So, appreciate it. Thank you.

Joey – Yeah. We had a great time with it and I know it won’t be the last time because like I said earlier, a lot of the answers have changed since we asked him the first time. And a lot of them are, trip specific. What would you wish you left at home? Things like that. You never get old.

Paul/Bethany – Plus, you can actually play a card game because it does have all the cards. You can play poker or whatever. It’s funny. When we try to actually use them as cards, we get sidetracked because a question will come up because the questions are actually on the card side. You’ll be like, bingo or whatever. You’re like, oh. I forgot we got that question. We asked each other the question. So anyway, that’s funny. We like it.

Joey – Uh, nearing the end of, uh, of the podcast here, we’d like to end at about an hour. So, let me ask you, um, where can we keep up? You will, uh, with you, will you be going to any events, uh, from now, but between now and the end of the year or anything like that?

Paul/Bethany – Not this year. We’re done with events this year. You can, um, so we’re most active on Instagram at radio chatter game. Uh, we do have the website. So, thank you for having at the bottom. That’s where you can purchase. Um, we have, um, the main products on the main site, but if you click the store, it has all of our products. We have a couple of games and, you know, shirts and stickers and all that kind of fun stuff. Um, but yeah, no more events this year. We did a few early on this year, but, uh, because we have day jobs, um, we’re limited on vacation. So, um, no more events for us this year. Um, but, uh, yeah, follow us on, on social media. Mountain State Overland just joined us on Instagram. So y’all can say hey to them if you want to. We can’t pull their, uh, stuff up on screen here, but they, they are on here.

Joey – Perfect. Yes. Appreciate y’all being on here. We love you guys and your videos are the best. And I mentioned that earlier. You can go back and prove it. Yes. And you know, you have the best music for sure. Uh, we will definitely try to come see you in, in Michigan and try to hook up with you. We go up there every summer and, uh, and try to get up there with you. But yeah, everybody just checks them out. You will love this game. It will change the way you travel. Uh, it did for us and it will for you because we’re not special. Oh, we’re pretty much like everybody else. Um, also on your, also on your website, you do have a blog that, and, and people have written about, uh, And I even wrote an article on there where, you know, when we came across one of the questions and it really hit me hard and it really made an impact on me. And it was it was so cool that, you know, we had to put it into words. But you do have a blog on there that people can go on there and read. So that’s another cool thing about that. And you also have a Facebook page that’s linked to your Instagram. So, keep up with you. Go on and radiochattergame.com. and order some cards. Uh, man, I’ll tell you what, that’s, uh, it’s cool. And you’ll love it.

Paul/Bethany – Thank you. Thank you.

Joey – Anything else y’all want to share before we go? We really appreciate having y’all on.

Paul/Bethany – Yeah, we really appreciate it.

Joey – Yeah. Thank you so much. Both of you. Good luck. Upcoming trip. Well, thank you. Thank you. It’s good to talk to you guys. Enjoy. We enjoy the game, and we are going to enjoy the new game when it gets here. Yeah, we sure will. We sure will, I swear. Thank you. Thank you for that. Oh, yeah, well, anybody, if you’re going to rendezvous, we will see you at the end of this week in a couple days. Tony will be there tomorrow evening with Michael Pruitt from Pruitt and Isle Valley. He’s going to take release, and I hate you for it.

Tony – Nanner nanner.

Joey – Everybody have a wonderful week we are the Overland Podcast and we appreciate you being here hope you have a wonderful week hope to see you at the end of this week and Paul and Bethany thank y’all for being on here and as I always tell everybody no matter what you do no matter where you go this week look out for number one don’t step in number two.